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How Prevalent is Copycatting and Infringement?

I see a lot of discussion regarding t-shirt designs being stolen, copied, infringed, etc. In your opinion, how prevalent is the problem, is it to a point where it is affecting a significant percentage of Merch by Amazon sellers?

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Kristi avatar image Kristi commented ·

Within the merch program, I usually find copies of my work once a week. The bigger problem for me has been the amount I'm fighting being put up on Shopify sites. I usually report on a minimum of 3 sites and up to 10 sites PER DAY, EVERY DAY. They come here, steal the images and put them up on their site(s).

So yeah, it's pretty common, especially once you start getting decent sales. You don't have to be making a fortune to be hit by the thieves, it just has to be doing well enough that they SEE it and then it's a never-ending game of whack-a-mole.

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L. Frase answered

I think it depends on how many shirts you've got that are selling like hotcakes. They don't copy the duds.

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Ciccagi answered

Sadly not true Lisa, they copied some T-shirts of mine that had sold once in total. Until today i wrote more than 100 dmca letters for more that 2000 copies. Today we Know 60 illegal sites, many of them are down, someone is up again under a different host. i would say, if everyone take 20 minute a day to check and report we will change this situation ( we are many more of them ) while we are waiting for Amazon improvements. i can't say exactly how much these sites are affecting amazon sales but i haven't seen so much drop in my sales instead i have heard many other reporting a slow down.......perhaps it's a case, perhaps not but this is my opinion, take time to create something new AND time to check and report too.

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Arteeste answered

It's been pretty brutal for me personally here on merch. Once I get a shirt consistently selling over 3 a day, it's not long before the sales for that shirt disappear almost completely. Once that happens I search the keywords and sure enough... several rip offs selling for a few cents over base price.

And there's always a few that post the rips right under your own brand name with the basement price so to the average consumer, they have no idea and of course they are going to buy the perceived same product for the lower price.

We of course report the infringers, but very little, if anything, is done. If they do take action in your favor, it will be weeks if not months. Then it will be just a specific color on that listing taken down. Absolutely laughable. Thieves are making a killing on merch because there are very little , if any, consequences.

If a thief is banned, (I've not heard of any to date) you can be assured that they already have multiple backup accounts waiting in the wings or already going strong because Amazon's floodgates are still open to new sellers.

Remember, Amazon makes THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY for themselves whether it's your originally designed shirt or a thieve's ripped-off version. If they lost money, you can bet your life this issue would have been resolved a looong time ago with a simple date-based infringement form specifically for merch sellers that many of us have suggested.

If Amazon could do JUST ONE THING for their army of legit merch sellers, it would be to protect their designs on the site way better. Right now it's incredible easy to extract the layered design from the shirt image. They don't even flatten the design on the shirt. Watermarks would be ideal but there is no way on god's green earth amazon will ever do that.

Good luck out there, it's currently the wild west and the Sheriff is in his office counting his payout.


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Digiholic answered

It's BAD. Made worse by the FB group and 'person' that sells 'best seller' lists & info (for their own gain)! Copycats read on FB that you can make lots of money here! And they'll even provide you with exactly what is selling! So, the copycats steal best sellers and extremely undercut prices! There go your sales!

And MBA even promotes this person. I don't get it, but I would love to understand.

Good Luck to you though.

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Chris Green avatar image Chris Green commented ·

That 'person' has a name. I, CHRIS GREEN (Google me) haven't sold a list in a long time, but that doesn't stop people from constantly fussing over me while at the same time NOT fussing over the other lists for sale and NOT fussing over those who teach others to make their own lists. Selective outrage? Here what you should understand: I share info that helps Merch sellers and helps their platform. If I didn't Amazon would not like what I was doing. I hope that some day you can be objective enough to see this.

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merchnoob avatar image merchnoob Chris Green commented ·

Hi Chris. You say you haven't sold a list in a long time, and somehow think that means you're not helping copycats. However your "Pro" tool that you sell for $9.99 offers ranking "research" with a "high res download tool" you can use to download the image after you've done said "research".

Please explain to me what this "high res download tool" is to be used for if it's not to straight up steal other peoples ideas or designs? Seems pretty straight forward to me exactly what you're selling. I'm being pretty objective here. You are selling a tool to find out what is selling and ranking for a niche, and then using the same tool for downloading the high res image of that design? For what? To print out and hang on your wall? Maybe to put in your wallet along with photos of your kids? Nah, somehow, I doubt as much.

Here is the link to your video showing your download tool and research in action, pretty obvious to see exactly what it does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8M2OJPAgg - At least be honest about what you're offering and stop pretending it's not what it is.

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M avatar image M merchnoob commented ·

@Chris Green As much as I appreciate your claim to be helping people with that browser extension the fact of the matter is that the "Download Hi-Res Image" function is NOT in any way necessary for 'research' and Amazon already provide within each seller's Merch By Amazon account the option to download "promotion templates" which have the same T-shirt mock-up as used live in the site, and provide those templates in PSD, AI, and GIMP formats, and also include within those templates Amazon logo and background layout to make for a good basic pre-made promotional file. So there's NO good reason why any genuine owner of a design would need to download the relatively hi-res images (but lower res than the owner would have, and in a lossy format rather than designer's lossless format) direct from the Amazon site. Basically the only reason for that specific function in the extension is to aid design theft, and frankly we're all pretty sure that you're fully aware of that fact since you're clearly not stupid. The vast majority of your extension appears to be relatively helpful and while may encourage people to upload very similar designs based on other well-selling designs isn't directly enabling direct copying, but the image download is, and should be removed! Frankly I'm surprised the with @Leia@Amazon and colleagues in these forums that they haven't had the extension pulled from online for directly breaching their terms by removing copyrighted content from their sites!

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Digiholic avatar image Digiholic Chris Green commented ·

Yes I know your name. I wasn't going to promote you but of course you can sniff out a marketing opportunity any where!! You can call it whatever you want... I can only be objective when people like YOU are not negatively affecting MY bottom line (from my hard work)!

OK, YOU want to help Merch sellers?? Then help the ones that you are destroying.

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Chris Green avatar image Chris Green Digiholic commented ·

1. Let me know how I can help.

2. Show me the ones that I am personally destroying (and don't go back to the 'selling lists' argument because not only am I not selling lists, no one even cares that other people are currently selling lists)

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Arteeste answered

100% agree @Digiholic ... well said. CG is not a friend to merch sellers. He profits from them and offers silly tools, books that state the obvious, affiliate links to amazon products, and plugins that read your browser history (!!!) . You have to join his "Convert Kit" internet marketing email mailing lists before accessing some of the plugins. Not suspicious at all. All the while criticizing anyone in his groups (free and paid) who complain about the terrible theft on merch and advises them to ignore them and trust amazon with a condescending and arrogant tone. Beware folks.

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Chris Green avatar image Chris Green commented ·

I would be happy to post direct links to my free Merch By Amazon extensions here, no ConvertKit required.

CG, AKA Chris Green, AKA A Friend To Merch Sellers

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MrApo answered

Hello all. I have idea (nevertheless I'm new, don't sell even 1 shirt and I'm outside USA). Can all honest MBA sellers, make court case, not against single thiefs but against site like shopify etc. who constantly allow this behaviour. This sites ale simply black markeeters. They make profit form it and only "fighting" with it passively. Come on can anyone imagine whole shop or car showroom with bunch of stealed items and owner don't know or do anything about it. Is this bad plan?

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Kristi avatar image Kristi commented ·

It wouldn't work with the way the law is currently written. So long as they pull the content once it is pointed out to them, they are given IMMUNITY. You see, the law states that since they are JUST the service provider, and NOT the person(s) who actually uploaded the content, they are NOT AT FAULT so long as they comply with your complaint to remove it. Now, if they refuse to remove the content - sure, then you could do something. DMCA law is broken and in need of serious attention.

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MrApo avatar image MrApo Kristi commented ·

So how they get rid off piracy sites for movies, books, games? They naturaly can say they don't allow it, but in fact they approve it.

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Ricardo Almeida avatar image Ricardo Almeida commented ·

There's another option: we can make sure that people know that Shopify is where thieves sell the designs they steal from other websites.

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Ryan Tomlinson answered

Unfortunately, it's pretty widespread. I personally find that the worst kind is those that hijack your brand and design and price lower. A copy sucks, but a copy ON YOUR BRAND sucks more! I know it will get better eventually, but man I hope it's sooner than later.

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Holly S Hertzel answered

Rampant. Discouraging. Heinous. Killing my business.

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Ricardo Almeida answered

Chris Green has been enabling the thieves. He got caught twice selling those lists. The lazy thieves use those lists to copy and sell designs on MBA. You don't see him participating in the discussions about copycats. He doesn't care. All he wants is to monetize from his Facebook group.

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Chris Green avatar image Chris Green commented ·

I am happy to participate if I can offer something new to the discussion. I keep seeing Amazon post official replies but then the same complaints. Seems counterproductive but what do I know. I'm sure that you are up in arms about the lists currently being sold by other people right now. Maybe instead of focusing on me, you focus there since you act as though that is what you are upset about?

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Ricardo Almeida answered

This is the "modus operandi": the lazy thieves buy the lists from people like him. Copy everything (designs, titles, descriptions, tags) and sell them for less. That's been affecting those people that use their talent to create something customers want to buy.

It's not fair.

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Chris Green avatar image Chris Green commented ·

When the pixel-for-pixel copycat issue and copy-pasted descriptions are foxed by Amazon, what will the new complaints be? Amazon will eventually stop all this with software but I doubt the 'thieves' conversation will ever end.

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Kristi avatar image Kristi Chris Green commented ·

Seriously? You want to try to minimize our suffering. Just go away.

Unless you have walked a mile in our shoes, you really have no right to judge whether or not we all have a right to complain. Must be nice from your side of the fence.

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